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Postby Tim M » December 8th, 2007, 12:36 pm

The Ladder site is now up and running (testing)

www.vassalengine.org/tournaments

These forums are linked. I have a little bit more work to do graphics/setup but welcome any suggestions before we launch it
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Postby bsmith » December 10th, 2007, 1:06 am

Looks good Tim, easy to read and it's obvious where everything is. Maybe change the Login and Password boxes to something more standard, just a white background maybe; that's nit-picking though :)
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Postby Tim M » December 12th, 2007, 4:14 am

Gone ahead and done that - I agree, needed to be clearer colorwise :)

Have to work on the center banner next - just a placeholder at the moment. I can have as many banners as needed and rotate them. Think I will go with graphics for each ladder as they are created/demanded and link them to their respective page

After that write up info for rules/login and stuff on rules pages and everything should be good and ready :)
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Postby Dark Scipio » January 18th, 2008, 1:12 pm

Perhaps a link on the main page would be good, or was I blind?
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Postby soft-bug » January 21st, 2008, 9:35 am

Hi,

What's about your policies ... let me explain it on a message sent by Rk to WK40,HEROQUEST,BLOODBOWL,BATTLEMASTER keepers :

As I posted to the VASSAL mailing list, I've received a letter from Games Workshop asking me to remove all materials related to their games from the web site. This request included Sabertooth Games' Lord of the Rings TMG as well, so I've had to remove your module page too. Thanks for your understanding and help with the VASSAL project overall.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Are we authorized to use the ladder site ??? or we'll keep in caves to prevent a terminator arrival ??

Thank you for you answer ... i think one of the mentionned module is already registred to the ladder site ...
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Postby uckelman » January 21st, 2008, 11:14 am

Thus spake "soft-bug":
Hi,

What's about your policies ... let me explain it on a message send by Rk to W
K40,HEROQUEST,BLOODBOWL,BATTLEMASTER keepers :

As I posted to the VASSAL mailing list, I've received a letter from Games Wor
kshop asking me to remove all materials related to their games from the web s
ite. This request included Sabertooth Games' Lord of the Rings TMG as well, s
o I've had to remove your module page too. Thanks for your understanding and
help with the VASSAL project overall.

Are we authorized to use the ladder site ??? or we'll keep in caves to preven
t a terminator arrival ??

Thank you for you answer ...

First, let me preface this by saying IANAL, so this is not legal advice.

While there is at least a case to be made for Games Workshop having the legal
right to prevent us from hosting modules for their games, I don't see how
they have a leg so stand on if they want to prevent people from running a
tournament or ladder site---there's nothing there which they could plausibly
claim is their intellectual property.

That said, so long as they perisit in policies like this, Games Workshop
(and Avalanche) don't deserve your money. I encourage you not to buy
what they sell, and let them know why not.

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Re: Vassal Ladder Site

Postby bsmith » January 21st, 2008, 11:29 am

uckelman wrote:That said, so long as they perisit in policies like this, Games Workshop
(and Avalanche) don't deserve your money. I encourage you not to buy
what they sell, and let them know why not.


Avalanche doesn't deserve our money for other reasons, most notably because their games really are crap!
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Postby uckelman » January 21st, 2008, 11:38 am

Thus spake "bsmith":
Avalanche doesn't deserve our money for other reasons, most notably because t
heir games really are crap!


In their case, I'll say that the reason I don't buy their games is
overdetermined. (Also, for Games Workshop, but that's because I
can't paint a model to save my life.)

Hey, speaking of that, I have two games from the Great War at Sea Series
you might want to buy from me. (It's like Car Wars with ships, except
that it's not fun.) :(

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Postby timpelican » January 21st, 2008, 11:51 am

On Mon, January 21, 2008 11:38 am, Joel Uckelman wrote:

Hey, speaking of that, I have two games from the Great War at Sea Series
you might want to buy from me. (It's like Car Wars with ships, except
that it's not fun.) :(

You're not in Marketing, are you Joel? ;)

That just caused a C | N > K moment...



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Postby rk » January 21st, 2008, 4:07 pm

Are we authorized to use the ladder site ??? or we'll keep in caves to prevent a terminator arrival ??

Games Workshop has a pretty clear policy around this, and it's even presented in plain English. See http://www.games-workshop.com/ippolicy.htm As I read it, running a ladder/tournament site is completely within what's allowed.

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Postby Dark Scipio » January 22nd, 2008, 10:28 pm

Thank you for your efforts. I personally dont think that Games Workshop has any right to let the modules be removed, but I can understand if somebody wants to avoid trouble.

Thank you again for the ladder.

I have some questions considering the ladder:
- Is it possible to include Draw-results?
- Is it possible to include point results, meaning if people have the same number of victories, the one with the higher victory points from won games to victory points from lost games ratio would have the higher rank.
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Postby Tim M » January 22nd, 2008, 11:11 pm

Dark Scipio wrote:I have some questions considering the ladder:
- Is it possible to include Draw-results?


Not sure - I'll have to look into that

- Is it possible to include point results, meaning if people have the same number of victories, the one with the higher victory points from won games to victory points from lost games ratio would have the higher rank.

It does feature a point system (why you put in scores on the report) but how it is used I would have to find out.

I am awaiting a software update which will add ratings (Elo / Glickman), such as found used in chess etc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is a better method of distinguishing players rather than using a more traditional w/l point system especially on a ladder system. As soon as I have it and get it implemented, I will switch over those ladders that wish to use it. It should not affect current w/l records, be retroactive and no downtime
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Re: Vassal Ladder Site

Postby bsmith » January 23rd, 2008, 6:12 am

uckelman wrote:Hey, speaking of that, I have two games from the Great War at Sea Series
you might want to buy from me. (It's like Car Wars with ships, except
that it's not fun.)


The only one I've ever bought was Panzergrenadier "Desert Rats". No kidding, the map consists of scans of actual carpet. I was so annoyed I whined about it on BGG http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/225406
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Postby uckelman » January 23rd, 2008, 2:20 pm

Thus spake "Tim Franklin":
You're not in Marketing, are you Joel? ;)

That just caused a C | N > K moment...


C such that N is less than K?

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Postby timpelican » January 23rd, 2008, 2:31 pm

On Wed, January 23, 2008 2:20 pm, Joel Uckelman wrote:

That just caused a C | N > K moment...


C such that N is less than K?

Shell command pipeline. Coffee, pipe through Nose, redirect output to
Keyboard.

Sorry, too many assumptions about the ubiquity of geek humour :(

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