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WidgedMap doent qualify as Map

Postby uckelman » March 18th, 2008, 2:58 pm

Thus spake "Dab":
Correct!

To put the hand-editing issue to an end: its nothing else than with the editor, a
s long as you produce valid XML. The editor is doing nothing more...prop. utilili
zing a SAX engine. Anyways, what i did can be produced with the editor as well. J
ust make up a fresh module, put a chart with a tabbed pane and some maps (WidgetM
ap) in. Then delete the Map that is predefined (MapWindow). This saves without an
error (valid XML). But produces lots of exceptions on a low AWT.draw.something-l
eve...with leads to the conclusion that this is simply not implemented atm. The m
odule will load, create a chat view and a grey area, but is unable to create anyt
hing beyond that point.


Wait, so you *can* produce the same output through the Editor?! Then that's
a bug in the Editor which we need to fix.

JAVA IDEs
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Well i think eclipse is a pharse...i do not like it at all. I am used to writing
C/C++ code a lot using an editor and compiling via shell. Glad to hear thats work
ing out for java as well. NETBEANs doesnt do the job for me either. I'd like to h
ave a system i can use on linux (At home) and win(at work)... any vim4win or some
thing similar available?

You can get Vim for any operating system in serious use today, including
Windows:

http://www.vim.org/download.php

I can't offer any advice about how best to set up to compile on Windows,
though. Maybe you could set up Ant? (I don't like Ant's syntax, I find
it too verbose, which is why I use Makefiles---but many people do like
it and use it as their build environment.)

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J.

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Re: WidgedMap doent qualify as Map

Postby Dab » March 18th, 2008, 3:53 pm

uckelman wrote:Thus spake "Dab":
You can get Vim for any operating system in serious use today, including
Windows:

http://www.vim.org/download.php

I can't offer any advice about how best to set up to compile on Windows,
though. Maybe you could set up Ant? (I don't like Ant's syntax, I find
it too verbose, which is why I use Makefiles---but many people do like
it and use it as their build environment.)

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cute! i'll give that a try when im back home this evening
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Postby Brent Easton » March 19th, 2008, 10:48 am

JAVA IDEs
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Well i think eclipse is a pharse...i do not like it at all. I am used to
writing C/C++ code a lot using an editor and compiling via shell. Glad to
hear thats working out for java as well. NETBEANs doesnt do the job for me
either. I'd like to have a system i can use on linux (At home) and win(at
work)... any vim4win or something similar available?

When I was a young software engineer, we used to dream of programming environments that did half of what modern IDE's do. I remember writing some stuff in Lisp under EMACS to help with FORTRAN programming!

What are your problems with Eclipse? Is it setting up the build configurations and getting Vassal runnning? Or the SVN interface? I'm happy to help you sort them out. I don't understand how Joel does without it :) I really couldn't live without the intergrated debugger and the contextual searching.

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Postby uckelman » March 19th, 2008, 11:17 am

Thus spake "Brent Easton":
When I was a young software engineer, we used to dream of programming environ
ments that did half of what modern IDE's do. I remember writing some stuff in
Lisp under EMACS to help with FORTRAN programming!

That's how I feel about Eclipse---it would be great if it did half of what
it does now. :)

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Postby Dab » March 19th, 2008, 11:23 am

no problems realy, just that i dont feel comfortable with it. it wont offer much beyond any combination of powerfull editor + dev tools that i have spotted so far. also i find its annoying how you change to an new ide and it comes with thousands of reinventions of the wheel in green red and blue, and how you have to use their plugins if you dont want to waste further time pluging your tools in. but i guess thats just me..

i had no problems setting up eclipse, im new to the svn though. used to have cvs.

i have all svn running but a short version (not that how to fix a warp engine one :) ) of the traps and pitfalls would be nice. although im currently reading on that topic

think im good to go by eastern, will let you know..
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Postby Brent Easton » March 19th, 2008, 11:31 am

That's how I feel about Eclipse---it would be great if it did half of what
it does now. :)

I have found a comfortable level where I only use about a quarter of its capabilities and ignore the rest...


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Postby uckelman » March 19th, 2008, 11:35 am

Thus spake "Dab":
i have no problems setting up eclipse, im new to the svn though. used to have
cvs. a short version on how its different whould be very apprechiated, altho
ugh im currently reading on that topic.


There aren't a lot of differences at the command level between CVS and
SVN. 'svn co' checks out a branch. 'svn commit' commits changes,
'svn status' shows you what's modified in your working copy. 'svn update'
brings your working copy up to date with what's in the repository.
'svn revert' reverts changes in your working copy. 'svn merge', which
lets you merge a set of changes into your working copy, is a little
counterintuitive at first---you need to specify the version on the
source branch prior to the changes, and the version after the changes
as a range.

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Postby uckelman » March 19th, 2008, 11:42 am

Thus spake "Brent Easton":
That's how I feel about Eclipse---it would be great if it did half of what
it does now. :)

I have found a comfortable level where I only use about a quarter of its capa
bilities and ignore the rest...


That's what I like about Vim. I use maybe 10% of the available commands,
but I'm not constantly confronted with buttons and menu items showing
me the 90% of them I don't use. Eclipse makes me feel as if I had an
enormous window full of buttons, one corresponding to every method in
the Java API, and I program by finding the right button and pressing it.

That just doesn't fit how I think. It's a good thing that we can each
use the tools we prefer.

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Postby mkiefte » March 19th, 2008, 12:18 pm

I'm a big fan of emacs and vim, but I have to stick up for Eclipse here. It's not that bad. My only bad experience has been with the SVN plugin. I actually use Eclipse a lot. Right now, I only use vim if I have to do something that would be unintuitive in Eclipse (using ed functions), or if I only have a terminal (through ssh).

Brent, I could never, ever get Subclipse or Subversion to do what I wanted it to do. This is a clear case where opening up a shell and typing svn is much more efficient.

- M.

On 19/03/2008, Joel Uckelman <uckelman@nomic.net (uckelman@nomic.net)> wrote:
Thus spake "Brent Easton":

That's how I feel about Eclipse---it would be great if it did half of what
it does now. :)


I have found a comfortable level where I only use about a quarter of its capa
bilities and ignore the rest...


That's what I like about Vim. I use maybe 10% of the available commands,
but I'm not constantly confronted with buttons and menu items showing
me the 90% of them I don't use. Eclipse makes me feel as if I had an
enormous window full of buttons, one corresponding to every method in
the Java API, and I program by finding the right button and pressing it.

That just doesn't fit how I think. It's a good thing that we can each
use the tools we prefer.

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