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What are bounces ?

Postby panther 2010 » April 17th, 2014, 4:16 pm

Yes, I know this is not the right place to sent this request, but I see no other alternative.

I received twice a mail like this :

"Your membership in the mailing list messages has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
11-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
this before your membership in the list is deleted."

Any further attemps to send a mail to obtain explanations about what happened failed and the following error message was received :

"MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. <messages-owner@vassalengine.org>: Mail server for "vassalengine.org" unreachable for too long --- Below this line is a copy of
To Me

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<messages-owner@vassalengine.org>:
Mail server for "vassalengine.org" unreachable for too long."

Now, I'm not a computer savvy and I don't have the faintest idea of what the hell "bounces" are,

Please explain clearly what the problem is so that I can avoid it happening again in the future.

Thank you.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » April 17th, 2014, 4:58 pm

Thus spake panther 2010:
> Yes, I know this is not the right place to sent this request, but I see
> no other alternative.
>
> I received twice a mail like this :
>
> "Your membership in the mailing list messages has been disabled due to
> excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 11-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted."
>
> Any further attemps to send a mail to obtain explanations about what
> happened failed and the following error message was received :
>
> "MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message
> to the following address. : Mail server
> for "vassalengine.org" unreachable for too long --- Below this line is a
> copy of
> To Me
>
> Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.
>
> :
> Mail server for "vassalengine.org" unreachable for too long."
>
> Now, I'm not a computer savvy and I don't have the faintest idea of what
> the hell "bounces" are,
>
> Please explain clearly what the problem is so that I can avoid it
> happening again in the future.
>
> Thank you.
>

You're subscribed to the mailing list which is bridge to the forum.
The problem is that a few days ago, Yahoo made a change to its email
setup which breaks pretty much every mailing list on the internet for
its users. Here's a summary:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/ ... lists.html

We haven't figured out what to do about this yet, which is a special
case of pretty much nobody having figured out what to do about this
yet. The solution I suspect we'll have to adopt if Yahoo doesn't relent
is to kick everyone with a Yahoo address off the list.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby panther 2010 » April 18th, 2014, 5:12 pm

Many thanks for the explanation of real nature of the problem.

Just change my emai add from ares_ubris@yahoo.com to new one : aresubris@gmail.com.

Hope this works.

Cheers.

Panther 2010

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby Tim M » April 24th, 2014, 12:45 pm

ahh no wonder I wasnt seeing any email posts lately! :)
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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » April 24th, 2014, 1:12 pm

Thus spake Tim M:
> ahh no wonder I wasnt seeing any email posts lately! :)

Yeah, it's a big problem. I still don't know what to do about it.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby panther 2010 » May 4th, 2014, 4:28 pm

Sorry to be here again, but I'm still suffering problems with yahoo bounces.

I tried to change my email add (the new mail to receive the messages from Vassal forums is now tigervib2010@gmail.com), but, for unknown reasons, the change was not accepted and I still receive the messages at the yahoo add.
I never received the confirmation of the change at my new add.

So, I need help on this.
Thank you.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 4th, 2014, 4:46 pm

Thus spake panther 2010:
> Sorry to be here again, but I'm still suffering problems with yahoo
> bounces.
>
> I tried to change my email add (the new mail to receive the messages
> from Vassal forums is now tigervib2010@gmail.com[1])

How did you try to change your email address?

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby panther 2010 » May 4th, 2014, 6:26 pm

Many thanks for your quick reply to my inquiry.

I tried to change the email add in my membership page.
But I never received the confirmation notice in my new add.
I don't know what happened. I tried twice but something didn't work.

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:?
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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 4th, 2014, 6:31 pm

Thus spake panther 2010:
> Many thanks for your quick reply to my inquiry.
>
> I tried to change the email add in my membership page.

Which membership page? What URL was it?

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby panther 2010 » May 5th, 2014, 8:25 am

My membership page is : http://www.vassalengine.org/mailman/opt ... 0yahoo.com.

I hope this can help.

Cheers.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 5th, 2014, 9:58 pm

Here's what went out a few minutes ago to list subscribers who were automatically unsubscribed:

Hi,

You're receiving this because vassalengine.org's mailing list which
bridges the VASSAL forum automatically unsubscribed you. We did not
unsubscribe you intentionally. Here's why this happened. It's a bit
technical, so bear with me.

1. Mailing lists resend mail, but typically preserve the From header
of the orignal message. E.g., if I send a message to
messages@vassalengine.org, it will have

From: Joel Uckelman <uckelman@nomic.net>

as one of the headers, and when our mailing list sends that message
out to list subscribers, it will still have that header unchanged.
The important point here is that the domain in the From header---in
this case, nomic.net---is not the same as the domain where our mailing
list lives---vassalengine.org. This is completely normal, and is how
mailing lists have worked the entire time that mailing lists have
existed.

2. In April, Yahoo set its DMARC policy to "reject". DMARC is a way
for owners of domains to signal what should be done with mail that
fails SPF or DKIM tests and has a From address in the owner's domain.
Lots of major email providers check DMARC, but until recently, no
large email providers had set their policy to "reject".

3. If the previous two points made sense, you should now see the
problem: If someone with a Yahoo email address posts to our list, then
any email server which checks DMARC to which our mailing list sends that
message will bounce the message back to us. This means that Yahoo's
policy change causes some of you not to receive messages from people
with Yahoo addresses---and not just those of you with Yahoo addresses
yourself, but also those of you whose email providers also check DMARC
(such as GMail).

4. Many mailing list managers, including our own, automatically
unsubscribe addresses after some number of bounces. This is why you
were unsubscribed: Your email provider bounced back to us messages
sent by users with Yahoo-hosted addresses.

5. This is crappy. The "solution" that a lot of mailing lists have
adopted is to boot anybody with a Yahoo address. Unfortunately, we can't
do that. The reason we can't do that is that our mailing list is bridged
to our forum. One consequence of this is that people who are not list
subscribers are constantly posting to the list via the forum, which is
after all the entire point of a list bridge. Lots of them have Yahoo
addresses, and we can't reasonably stop them from using the forum.

So, the upshot of all of this is: We have a problem that I'm unsure how
to address presently. I have two possible solutions in mind, but I'm
going to need a bit more time to determine which we should do. Don't
expect anything to be fixed before next week, but do expect that this
will be fixed.

In case you'd like to read a bit more about what Yahoo did, here are
a couple of links:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/ ... icy-breaks
-mailing-lists.html
http://jl.ly/Email/yahoobomb.html
https://www.virusbtn.com/blog/2014/04_15.xml
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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 22nd, 2014, 8:45 pm

Thus spake panther 2010:
> My membership page is : http://www.vassalengine.org/mailman/opt ...
> 0yahoo.com[1].
>
> I hope this can help.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Panther 2010 :wink:
>

I believe we now have a workaround for what Yahoo broke, provided by
upgrading to Mailman 2.1.18. You should be resubscribed to the list
now.

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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 29th, 2014, 1:55 pm

The upgrade to Mailman 2.1.18 isn't working for us. I'm talking with people on the Mailman list to determine what's wrong.
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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby uckelman » May 29th, 2014, 2:01 pm

This is a test message, sent in order to see if Mailman's DMARC checks are running.
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Re: What are bounces ?

Postby Tim M » May 29th, 2014, 2:18 pm

Didnt get it
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